Gosford Glyphs 2010 Update

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The discussion about the Egyptian Heiroglyphs have surfaced once again as the developers try to move into Bambara Road at Kariong in 2010
Many are happy to dismiss them as fakes and just as many believe they are real and many people believe those people...
Of course if they were real our history would have been re-written long ago , but rumours and people's beliefs cloud our judgement some times ( not all of us though ! )
Once the story of the glyphs reached the web it also garnered a new following of "new agers" and self declared experts and theorists , for which the carvings validated their beliefs in nice colour photographs.

Despite being presented with valid scientific proof and reports from a variety of experts , it seems some will reject all and continue with the myth.
Most of this seems to stem from a man named Ray Johnson who supposedly translated the glyphs and sent the results to a few experts overseas and the local authorities in Australia.
While we have copies of the letters he sent , we do not have any of the replies , so the translations have never been verified or acted upon.
Ray Johnson claimed he had written 4 volumes about Egyptian heiroglyphs and language and that it was accepted by the Musuem of Antiquities in Cairo.
In the letters I have Ray never states his qualifications other than the fact he is a researcher.
This all happened nearly 15 years after the NPSW , Gosford Council and Sydney University carried out studies and declared the work fake.

All the experts agree that the symbols are badly done and are probably carved by someone who was studying Egypt or was copying what he saw in a book.
So it is true some of the symbols actually are real and spell out words , this must not be confused as them being translated into the story as told by Ray Johnson
It also doesn't mean that they were carved by the Egyptians either , nearby dated Aboriginal carvings are around 250 years old and are much more eroded.

A property located within 60 metres of the glyph site existed from around 1929 , the owner was E.F Gilford who was so fascinated with the local Aboriginal carvings , that he wrote an article for the local newspaper in 1931.
E.F Gilford scoured the land around his home and recorded many sites unknown to anyone at the time , later in 1960 he was aided by a local researcher B. Pankhurst and they mapped and photographed every Aboriginal site in the Kariong area.
Remember Mr Gilfords property boundary ( in red ) was only 60 metres away from the glyphs site and he lived there for over 25 years.
2 other private holdings were in the area owned by Follan who had a pig farm and the Camerons who had a house and farm.
By that time the area had been extensively surveyed for roads , power lines , mineral and scientific explorations , the army in both wars and Lyre Trig was built just 120 metres away from the carvings.
With all that activity not one person or valid report exists of the glyphs prior to 1975
Parish maps of the area note the locations of Aboriginal sites but not the glyphs in every edition.

As the popularity of internet forums grew the topic of the glyphs arose on several sites , this brought the attention of Egyptologists like Dr Meltzer who was actually paid to examine the glphs via correspondence , while he agreed that the symbols spelt out names and words he never offered a full translation.
Later on as people informed him about the local history of the area and prevoius reports he began his own research into the background.
I note in his final posts he pleas for valid information on the status of the glyphs pre 1980's , but never gets a reply.
He is also sent a confusing letter from Ray Johnson offering to send him his translations , he remarks later on that he cannot agree with Ray Johnsons " archaic theory "

Private website owner A. Keating made a website based on the report on Ray Johnson findings by a Dr Gilbert.
Dr Gilbert also called the glyphs forgeries.
After that report was published online , Paul White who had help place Ray Johnsons story online and had a written an article , distanced himself from the whole affair.

On the Ancient Lost Treasures forum in 2004 a member ( Tom Walter ) contacted the Gosford History group and was told the carvings were done by a schoolboy in the 60's , the Elvina group has recently contacted members of that group who verified the story again in 2010.

Since 2007 all discussions involving Dr Meltzer have ceased , many sites have stories on the glphs and all use parts of the story from different parts of the web , no new reaseach has taken place since.

In October 2010 I personally contacted the first person documented to find the glyphs and spoke to him on the phone at length , Alan Dash worked as a surveyor for Gosford Council and discovered them in 1975 , he also witnessed them being created.
Read the full account here

To get a better picture of the story I've made a timeline with all relevant links included:


1825
- First land surveys carried out in Brisbane Waters

1923
- Woy Woy Road built

1929
- Gilford , Follan and Cameron purchase blocks at Bambara Rd
- Parish map of blocks here

1931
- Gilford writes article on nearby Aboriginal carvings
- Article here

1955
- Bob Cummins visits site and notes carvings are present but faint - rumour not confirmed ( see letter from R Johnson to Gosford Council 1997 )

1960's
- Students from Gosford High School carve/re carve/ add to glyphs - rumour confirmed by Tom Walter* in 2004 and Elvina group* in 2010 after contact with members of the Gosford Historical Group
1964
- University students visit site and carve/re carve/ add to walls - rumour not confirmed ( see letter from R Johnson to Gosford Council 1997 )

1975
- Council surveyor Alan Dash notes site
- Alan Dash notes site being added to - Read interview here

1983
- Article in Central Coast Express
- Mr David Lambert Rock Art Conservator of the Cultural Heritage Division of the NPWS visits site
- Pictures taken in 1983/1984 by the NPWS
- Photographs of the hieroglyphs were sent to Prof. NageebKanawati, head of the Department of Egyptology at Macquarie University, Sydney.
- Prof. Nageeb Kanawati replies and declares the carvings as fake

1984
- Ranger Neil Martin catches old Yugoslavian man carving at site
- Ranger Neil Martin notes additional carvings being added afterwards

1994
- Ray Johnson visits site with Dr Whitehouse and Yahn
- Ray Johnson sends letter to Dr Abou - Gazi Director of the Museum of Antiquities Cairo
- Copy of letter here

1996
- Paul White writes article for Exposure magazine Vol 2 No.6
- Copy of article here

1997
- Ray Johnson writes to Gosford Council
- Copy of letter here

1998
- A. Keating establishes contact with Dr Gilbert and creates website here
- Dr Gilbert denounces carvings as fakes
- Article here
- Paul White rejects his own story and agrees with the forgery theory
- Bambara site under threat from developers - letters of support from local Mp's

2001
- Hans-Dieter von Senff writes to Carmel Tebutt assisting the Ministerfor National Parks and Wildlife [Refschauge]
- Carmel Tebutt confirms carvings are fake based on NPWS study
- Carmel Tebutt confirms air shaft / underground chamber not present in 1983 inspection
- See post at Ancient Lost Treasures

2003
- Article written by David Coltheart in Archaeological Diggings Vol 10 No 5 Oct/Nov 2003 Issue No 58
- Article here

2004
- Tom Walters contacts Philippe Tabuteau of the Gosford Historical Group
- Philippe Tabuteau confirms carvings were done by persons known to him
- Dr Meltzer is contracted by John Anthony West to decipher the glyphs
- Dr Meltzer's post at Ancient Lost Treasures

2005
- Don Hitchcock maps writes article here

2007
- Dr Meltzer discusses the glyphs online at the Glyph Doctors
- Dr Meltzer receives information from Ray Johnson
- Dr Meltzer dimisses Ray Johnsons "archaic theory"
- Last post from Dr Meltzer here
2008
- Glenndining, Minto and Associates apply to build at Bambara Rd
- DA rejected by Gosford Council

2009
- Developers launch appeal in Lands and Environment court

2010
- Court hearing April - decision reserved to a later date
- Elvina group contacts Tabuteau family member
- Tabuteau family member suspects carvings were done by a pupil/s from Gosford High School in the 60's
- June - Land and Environment court rejects current DA by Glenndining, Minto and Associates
- Alan Dash confirms carvings done between 1975 and 1983 - Report here
- Blocks in the area are offered for sale again , Council does not buy them
- I am sent the original NPWS site photos taken in 1983 , after examination I found evidence of the glyphs being added to after the photos were taken - see article here

2011
- Single block sold to private purchaser
- Local protest group camps on site for 90 days in action against development proposals
- I contact the NPWS for information on the glyphs - letter here
- I contact Prof. NageebKanawati, head of the Department of Egyptology at Macquarie University, Sydney. - email reply here
- Glyphs featured on History channel documentary , Tony Robinson visits site. - video here
- Gosford Council appoints mediator to negotiate purchase of blocks along Bambara Rd
- Steven Strong and Dr Hans Dieter Von Senff enter Brisbane Waters National Park to conduct illegal archaeological studies and excavations at the glyphs site and illegally remove artifacts

2012
- Unemployed school teacher Steven Strong writes articles for New Dawn magazine and Indigenous Times
- Retired bus driver Hans Dieter Von Senff releases " Ancient Egyptians in Australia " 
- Gosford Council agrees to buy one of the blocks on Bambara Road for inclusion into the BWNP
- Fringe website Wake up World publishes Steven Strongs Kariong theories
- News article from Steven Strong about his Kariong theories is pulled down from the ABC website
 within hours of it's release

2013
- Glyphs site suffers from increased traffic , underground cavity which theorists claim is a " tomb "
is continually interfered with , NPWS fill in the cavity and post warning signs
- Steven Strong claims to find UFO carving close to the glyphs site , it turns out to be an Aboriginal
carving of a whale

2014
- New website created http://karionghieroglyphs.blogspot.com.au/


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TO THIS DATE NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE SOLID SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT THE EGYPTIANS OR ANY OTHER CULTURE VISITED KARIONG OVER 4000 YEARS AGO

Hans Dieter Von Senff - Ravings of a Madman

One of the delights of researching the Gosford Glyphs is running into the odd ( and I mean odd ) psuedo archaeologist / theorist / nutter along the way , they can range from the UFO believing space cadets , to crystal bearing new age enlightened ones ( usually women ) or modern day self styled Indiana Jones type fellas.
I first heard of this Von Senff person while poking about researching the glyphs story and later on after I published an article on my blog he left some funny comments typical of some of the rubbish that people leave on that page.
Now 83 year old Hans is not an Egyptologist , far from it , he lists it as a hobby.
The challenge has always been to Hans to provide some solid reliable scientific proof that the Egyptians carved the glyphs at Kariong , something to this date he has failed to do.
Now I'm talking signed letters from the big wigs here , you know the Museum of Antiquities in Cairo for a start , and all the museums in fact ( any ) something legitimate from real Egyptologists.
Not pages and pages of why he thinks the carvings are real and what they mean , this means nothing if no one will agree with you - and no one has to date.
Hans has produced tomes of fantasy titled " Forbidden Archaeology " and also " Egyptians in Australia which have gone largely ignored by professionals and ridiculed by anyone who actually sat down and waded through page after page of dubious speculations.
Hans has pestered various people from the Minister for Environment for NSW , NPWS , British Museum and god knows who else in his quest to no avail , I would love to see some of the replies he gets and of course he would never publish them anyway.

A recent discussion thread at the Unexplained Mysteries forum was a lesson for Hans not to go spouting off in public with ridiculous claims without being able to back yourself up.
One of the totally mind numbing claims by Hans is that I wrote the book , The Encyclopedia of Dubious Archaeology or at least the entry on the Gosford Glyphs on page 119 , a claim that despite being shown many times to be false , he persists with.

Truth is however, that Steve Spillard, aka. Woy Woy Steve declared on a website "Unexplained Mysteries", that he never wrote the article in the " Encyclopaedia of dubious Archaeology"p. 119-122, which I do not believe, because I have yet to see a writer, who writes under a bogus name (not a pseudonym) and assumes the character of Steven Spillard. I have yet to see an earlier claim as to: "Why he suddenly disclaimed his authorship to the fabricated fiction, that the Kariong Glyphs are a Hoax, as Spillard claimed in his Article." Now he claims, that it was never written by him, but some unknown person, to whom he sent the information.

The whole book was in fact written by Kenneth L Feder and he contacted me a while back asking for permission to use some photos I had online of the glyphs , I of course obliged.

I'm an archaeologist here in the US working on a one-volume encyclopedia
tentatively titled "Encyclopedia of Speculative Archaeology" which deals
with a host of archaeological fakery. I am including an entry on the
so-called Gosford Glyphs. I am writing to request permission to use one of
the photographs of the glyphs that appeared on your website
(http://home.iprimus.com.au/blazelands/woywoy/carvings.htm). (It's the image
at the bottom of the page, a close up of the glyphs).

Thanks for considering my request.

Ken Feder
Anthropology

This is a copy of that actual email from February 2010 - see blog entry here

I think poor old Hans got confused when he seen my name under the photo that they used , it only means the photo is mine , something most publishers do.

( Photo from page 120 The Encyclopedia of Dubious Archaeology by K. Feder )

Now silly old Hans has gone around the web quoting Ken Feders words as mine which is quite amusing and he goes to great lengths trying to disprove me in his recent pile of garbage " Egyptians in Australia " a 140 page paper he has conjured up on the glyphs story - what a sad and totally pointless waste of time and I wonder if he is mentally ill or just an elaborate hoaxer himself , surely anyone with enough intelligence to attain a PHD would be able to tell quite quickly that I am not the author.

Hans also thinks that I am the only person to call the glyphs story a hoax and that if he can shout me down on as many obscure internet forums as he can log into that I will go away but unfortunately that's where most people end up after not swallowing Hans pile of old cock and they do a little Google search on the glyphs and end up on my web pages !
Fact ,  I am not the first person to report the glyphs as a hoax , there are plenty of web pages doing that and some of them for a lot longer than mine.
I am not the first person to de bunk the glyphs mystery using a little research , people did that long ago as well , all I have done is collate a lot of websites into one readable account.
What I did do though is publish the first local account of the glyphs story using some background research on the history of the site , I also visited Gosford Library and viewed the files they hold on the glyphs including letters from Ray Johnson.
I was also the first person to contact the surveyor who first noted the glyphs in 1975 , Alan Dash and published details of that conversation.

I am not the first person to discovers holes in Hans theories , he was virtually torn to pieces on the Unexplained Mysteries forum and took off with his tail between his legs only to post more ravings on a little used forum just recently.

But you must agree from a logical stand point for us to agree with you, you would need to produce some pretty good hard evidence to support your case, as from what I have read posted by Steve, it would appear not only has your research been out gunned but its been undone and out matched, now Im not saying you have not put the hard yards as I call it into your research Im saying is lacking a certain aspect of proof.

One of the members from UM has put together a very informative look at the glyphs debacle and examines some of Hans' claims in detail , he has a bit more knowledge of Egyptology than myself and it was good to see another unbiased overview of the story , in fact this is the best review on the web to date.

Gosford Glyphs Hoax Part 1
Gosford Glyphs Hoax Part 2
Gosford Glyphs Hoax Part 3
Gosford Glyphs Hoax Part 4

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Kariong: The Key to Unlocking the Truth

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Kariong: The Key to Unlocking a Forgotten Origin Australian Aboriginal History by Steven Strong
http://forgottenorigin.com/kariong-the-key-to-unlocking-a-forgotten-origin

 Until receiving a phone call from Nina Angelo (OAM), I knew nothing of neither the struggles involved in protecting the land around Kariong (near Gosford) nor that part of this land was now on the market. When on-site I had seen a lot of tagged trees, and a for sale sign somewhere along a main road, but being unfamiliar with the whole region, nothing registered. But once aware the land for sale contained the Gosford Glyphs, my immediate concern was in the vicinity, but elsewhere.

 >> The Glyphs site is inside the boundary of Brisbane Waters National Parks , it is not on the private blocks that have been offered for sale

So very close, a site we are convinced was never seen by non-Aboriginals until discovered very late in the afternoon barely three months earlier, is a rock platform covered with a set of sacred engravings of considerable significance.

 >> This site was documented by W.D. Campbell in 1895 and included in his rare book published in 1899 , as well as being known to local Aboriginals , the NPWS and local expert B. Pankhurst

 On this large platform we saw a fish, serpent, massive dolphin or whale, circles and a variety of shapes and symbols. Without doubt, it is an impressive gallery of ancient Aboriginal rock art deserving of protection, but there is one life-sized engraving of Durramulan (son of Creation Spirit Biamie) that is so unique, utterly unexpected, and obviously sacred, decisions had to be made as to how it can be publically described. There is nothing remotely like it anywhere in Australia. And that’s it. That is all we have agreed to reveal. The photographs taken late in the afternoon on this site, and in particular those of Durramullan, will never be reproduced or published through any form of the media but …

 >> This is because women are not allowed to see images of Darramulan or even mention his name in Aboriginal culture even to this day , it is secret mens business. ( also see below re public showing , were women were present at this meeting ? ) 

 Owing to the real possibility this land, irrespective of the credentials for or against the Gosford Glyphs, could be sold then developed, a different approach is compulsory. It hads been our agreed stance to categorise all the sites/relics we are sharing as being ‘found within 2 hours of Sydney,’ but that generalised approach doesn’t apply in this location. Those engravings, and other related platforms (one is actually located within this block) are now directly under threat. So, in the spirit of Wirritjin (Black-fella White-fella Dreaming) a compromise has been reached, beginning on December 11 at Kariong ArtsBarn, we will share these images in public forums under the understanding they cannot be reproduced. The distance between this unique site and that of the Gosford Glyphs is far too close for coincidence or comfort. As to determining the bona fides of this supposed Egyptian site, we have one advantage. We have had the privilege of reading Dr. Hans-Dieter von Senff’s thoroughly researched draft paper and approach this debate utterly convinced the glyphs are genuine. The many critics who dispute the origin of these engravings numbering over 300 are not sensitive to the bigger picture, and if proven to be engraved by Egyptians, these glyphs form a pivotal and historic epitaph to an Australian history very few would suspect. The engravings were first properly translated by Ray Johnson, claimed to be proto-Egyptian and accepted “as correct by the General Director of Cairo Museum, Dr. Dia’ Abou-Ghazi.”

 >> Ray Johnsons translations were sent to Cairo to a retired Egyptologist Dr Abou- Ghazi , there are no copies of any replies from Cairo saying that they are " correct " , they were merley accepted by the retired academic , the only replies that came back and which are written on postcards ( not official Cairo Musuem letterheads ) are scant and remark " It is good to see a different opinion " and some other details referring to the shape of the snout on the Seti / Anubis figure.
 Ray Johnson has no qualifcations in Egyptology or Archeaology and is self taught.
 Dr. Hans-Dieter von Senff’ has no qualifications in Egyptology or Archeaology , but has a PHD in Germanic languages 
The Museum of Antiqites in Cairo has not followed up or investigated this case to this day.. 

 However, despite the endorsement of the resident expert in Cairo, Australian academics with less impressive credentials are adamant this is an elaborate hoax.

 >> The glyphs were examined by Egyptologist Dr Gilbert for A Keating in 1998 and he gives a very detailed report clearly showing why the carvings are fake , to date this has been the most comprehensive study of the actual glyphs as they appear on the rock surface.
 In 1984 Mr David Lambert Rock Art Conservator of the Cultural Heritage Division of the NPWS examined the glyphs and reported that they were aged less than 100 years old and showed signs of recent activity ( some of which was recorded for years after ) 
Also in 1984 photographs of the hieroglyphs were sent to Prof. Nageeb Kanawati, head of the Department of Egyptology at Macquarie University, Sydney , he quickly dismissed them as being " amatuer graffiti that made no sense at all " Prof. Nageeb Kanawati undertakes yearly trips to Egypt to work on the excavation of tombs for the Museum of Antiquities Cairo , in fact he is held is such high regard that he is the only expert from another country allowed to excavate royal tombs. I would say these are hardly " academics with less impressive credentials " 

 Within two hours from Sydney, with a majority of the locations/artefacts to be discussed located close to Gosford, is a large collection of engravings/carvings that are quite literally overlaid in, or the genesis of, Egyptian religion. An engraved Ankh, an essential accompaniment to Thoth, placed alongside an Ibis footprint (Thoth’s recent animal counterpart) and what we believe to be the ‘River of Life,’ is one of many sites that stretch geographic boundaries. Two Ibis-men engraved into rock, both in profile with the head of an ibis and body of a human, seem to resonate to the same ancient Egyptian theme. What really did catch us unawares was that not only is the ibis and Thoth synonymous, originally Thoth was depicted in ape-form. And it is this more ancient representation, which is found twice in Australia that extends the horizons considerably. A statue found at Gympie, claimed to act as one of five sentries guarding the controversial seven-stepped pyramid at Gympie, is a depiction of Thoth in his more primal ape-like form and has been argued over and often ridiculed.

 >> The Gympie Ape / Pyramid stories are well known hoaxes

 However, the recent discovery of an engraving of Durramullan, again in profile, is less open to debate. The pronounced long forehead and protruding lips is reminiscent of a baboon or one of the larger apes, and so out of context when carved into a continent lacking ape or monkey. The engraving is ancient, carved by an artist aware of an African animal and Egyptian deity supposedly unknown until the British invasion.

>> Strong has never visited this site, He claims ( Indigenous Times for 1 Feb 2011 ) that the carving is of an Egyptian Soldier with a short broad sword. The head dress on the man is unusual and he has an Egyptian style beak but for any one who had seen the engraving they would know that the ‘broadsword’ is another man’s arm which is one of many carved over him.The photo he uses was sent to him by a local Aboriginal rock art expert .

 In what only adds to the quality and quantity of this cross-cultural partnership, there are two sets of Aboriginal engravings, one containing 31 separate and distinct human characters and the other five figures, of which three have human bodies and what appears to be crocodile heads. t is for these reasons, and many others, we are in complete agreement with Robert Lawlor, author of highly regarded Voices of the First Day, when noting the same origin and sequence. “The Egyptian religious practices, zoomorphic pantheon of gods, concepts of death and rebirth, sorcery, magic and medicine all have their origins in the primal culture of the First Day.”2 We see the presence of Egyptians in Australia beginning at around 5,000 years ago, entirely in keeping with a global history that saw, for a variety of reasons to complex to discuss now, the Australian Aboriginal mariners and explorers finally return to Australia at around the same time.
 We believe the glyphs and other Egyptian remains found ‘within two hours of Sydney’ bear testimony to a spiritual sabbatical to the place where Egyptian religion and culture began. That the Gosford Glyphs are so close to the sacred Durramullan site demands an awareness, agreement between the first Australians and people from a distant continent. The Durramullan platform is undeniably special, and the Glyphs are an integral part of this arrangement, unique not only in Australia but the world. The Egyptian crypt and engravings, dedicated to the memory of the son of a Pharoah, was constructed close to the Durramullan rock platform and could only be created with the consent of the local Aboriginals.

>> Crude attempts at creating an underground tunnel at the site was documented by the NPWS in 2001, and includes photos of stockpiled materials on site

 Of course, if Australian Aboriginals did sail the globe in ancient times this journey is dependent upon ocean-going boats being constructed in Australia. Up at the Top End there are many engravings and paintings of boats which are mistakenly claimed to be inspired by Maccassan boats fishing for trepan.

 >> The trepang trade between the Maccassan fishermen and the Aboriginals is modern history and is well documented , the boats pictured in Aboriginal art are Maccassan boats , along side modern white sailing ships , aircraft and even a WW2 battleship , the Aboriginal artists were very accurate here in depicting the shapes of the ships they saw.

 No such claims can be made for the engraving of an ocean-going boat found in the northern section of the area ‘within two hours from Sydney.’ The boat’s design, with a steep prau and stern, has one primary function: to sail through large waves. It would be a waste of time, effort and resources to construct a boat according to the shape and proportions engraved into the rock, if the vessel sailed in stiller waters.

 >> But where is the photo ?

 More importantly, this engraving goes a long way towards establishing the claims made by Ramindjeri Elders. If indeed, as they insist, their ancestors circumnavigated the globe in a figure eight then this sophisticated design would serve that purpose. That engraving and the Ramindjeri account provide answers to a series of unresolved questions that mainstream academia are unable to appreciate. The accepted presence of Australian Aboriginal people in America was the focus of Issue 35 of the highly respected science magazine Cosmos. The front cover carries the following caption: “Did Aborigines discover America? Startling new finds suggest Australia’s first people made it all the way to South America more than 11,000 years ago.”3 Of course, America was merely one port-of-call when the First Australians set sail.
“Dr. Raghavendra and researchers from the Indian-government backed Anthropological Survey of India project found unique genetic mutations were shared between modern-day Indians and Aborigines.”4 They “identified seven people from central Dravidian and Austro-Asiatic tribes who shared genetic traits only found in Aborigines.”5 These facts, along with newly discovered Australian genetic links to a hominid in Siberia referred to as Denosovian, necessitate the same means of transport: a boat. However, the plan of a boat is insufficient, also required are both the tools needed to construct such a vessel and navigational skills before sailing to India, America, Asia, Egypt or any other destination. An axe is an essential pre-requisite if building a vessel capable of sailing across oceans.
 In keeping with all other firsts, it should come as no surprise that the oldest axes yet found are located within Sahul (the greater Australian continent which includes PNG, Tasmania, etc). The oldest axe was found at Huon Terrace (PNG) and is dated at 40,000 years, followed by an axe found in Jawoyn land (N.T.) claimed to be 35,500 years old. Remaining within Australia, an axe was discovered at Sandy Creek (QLD 32,000 years) and another at Malangangerr (N.T. 23,000 years). In what confirms the antiquity of Australian axe technology, and by association boats, Angel John Gallard has in his possession a hand-held chopper (the precursor to the axe) which he believes to be no less than 60,000 years old, with the real possibility it is over 100,000 years old

 >> Most of these reports are baseless and the " implements " always seem to be in private hands , not held or examined by museums in Australia .
The existence of old axes and woodworking tools are not sufficient evidence that a large boat building operation existed.

 The oldest axe discovered outside Australia was found at Niah Cave (Sarawak) and is thought to be 15,500 years old. For any such an epic journey to succeed, especially so if claimed to have circumnavigated the world in a figure eight, these Aboriginal mariners must be able to navigate by the stars. Once again it all begins here. As announced by a team of scientists from the CSIRO, the oldest astronomical construction was found at Wurdi Youang (Victoria). “The strange stone arrangement”6 has “two points set in perfect alignment with the setting sun on a midsummer’s day.”7 CSIRO experts are of the opinion the “ancient Aboriginal sundial could be upwards of 10,000 years old.”8 Nor do these rocks stand in isolation, there are two sets of walls recently found in the Snowy Mountains, the first is aligned east-west , marks out the conjunction of planets and contains no less than 10,000 rocks.
 The second is at least four times bigger and runs down an extremely steep slope. Within ‘two hours from Sydney’ is a perfectly aligned five-rocked compass and another construction that is far more enigmatic, which for obvious reasons, we call ‘mini-Stonehenge.’ It is made up of 46 stones in the inner circle and 18 rocks forming what we feel are clusters of stars. The four directions are marked out by arches with a horizontal stone supported by stone pillars. All four constructions, although separated by hundreds of kilometers, serve the same purpose: charting the heavens.

 >> And again some photos would be nice 

 There is one pattern exhibited by the sites found ‘within two hours of Sydney’ that seems to be in open contradiction to an artistic maxim we assumed held fast throughout Australia. It was our belief that traditional Aboriginal art was region specific. Within this area we have found over 25 styles/techniques, many of which are claimed to be created in one tribal estate. We found evidence of the following Aboriginal artistic styles; Panaramitee; X-Ray; Figurative; Mimi; Lightning Brothers; Wandjina; Papunya; Hand stencils (two types); Representational; Rock engraving; Rock Pecking; Stone Arrangements; Bands across the body; Egyptian symbols; Bird prints; Engraved shield design (found throughout Australia); Profiled spirits and others we could not identify. So great is the variety, and the obligation that associated Dreaming stories are also present, we suspect this area was the inspiration behind Alexandria, somewhat akin to a continental repository storing the knowledge and wisdom of the nation of the First Australians. So where does that leave us? If relying on text books and academics ‘dazed and confused.’ However, there is an alternative route.

 >> Yes we should listen to a school teacher and some old guy with a PHD in Germanic language and take that as gospel , we should also believe that New Dawn Magazine and the Indigenous Times are credible scientific publications to publish ones theories in 

 We are convinced that the First Australians are completely separate to the Africans and were the first homo sapien sapiens. It was from Australia, not Africa, the first migration originated, and it is from Australia religion, gender equality, astronomy, burials, sailing, music, art, democracy and all the nobler pursuits began. And it is in Australia, and in particular the area ‘within 2 hours from Sydney,’ that proof of this global legacy can still be found.

 >> I'm afraid not

 References including his own work and his mates
 AAP. “First Australians Were Indian: Research.” Sydney Morning Herald, 23rd July 2009. Carswell, Andrew, and Robert Cockburn. 
“Wurdi Youang Rocks Could Prove Aborigines Were First Astronomers.” (Feb 05, 2011), www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ancient-aboriginal-eyes-were-on-the-skies/story-fn5fsgyc-1226000523978#ixzz1D9uDPgfE. Hayes, Jacqui. 
“Ancient Odyssey.” Cosmos, 2010, 39-47. Lawlor, Robert. Voices of the First Day: Awakening in the Aboriginal Dreamtime. Rochester, Vt.: Inner Traditions International, Ltd., 1991. 
Senff, Hans-Dieter von. “The Kariong Glyphs and the Prohibited Egyptians: Research Proves the Kariong Gylphs to Be Genuine and Exposes the Critics as Hoaxters.” 2011. 
Strong, Steven, and Evan Strong. Forgotten Origin. Lanham, Md.: University Press of America, Inc., 2010.

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